you're wary on the gun thing. >> yeah. and for the reasons that john was saying. because a lot of democrats who will be running in red states, in 2014, don't want the burden of too much aggressiveness on the gun issue. as they take on republicans. it's red state politics. but on the other things, yes. i think in the end, that the president will pick off enough republicans as he did in the tax fight to be the winner. chris: let me ask you about this chuck hagel thing. a roundtable on this. will hagel get confirmed, john? >> i think so, yes. there's overwhelming deference for cabinet picks. chris: on the hill now? >> likely. look to democrats like chuck schumer as ways to read what's going on. chris: do you think -- he'll tell us a lot? >> yes. chris: and carden. some. other guys from big cities. >> i think he will come through in the end. >> yes, he will. but the people who might otherwise oppose him are going to get something out of it. i don't know what. chris: what about -- >> chuck schumer. >> not just chuck schumer. but other reassurances, for example, among the neo-cons.